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GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?This year, TomTom decided to not introduce it's new models at the CeBIT fair in Hanover as it has done every year previously; instead they waited until June to release some news. This had one big advantage: by making the announcement of their new products at their own Press Conference in the French city of Cannes they could count on much wider and more exclusive press coverage.

Downside
However, there was also a downside in leaving their announcement this late. By now the holiday season is well under way, and many European families had already left for their vacations abroad by the date of the launch. All of these potential customers were not able to purchase a GO 520 or 720 before they left, and even now the first deliveries of these new units will only be available in limited quantities in the shops. TomTom has thus missed an important part of the Summer retailing peak and it has yet to be seen how successful the sales of the new devices will be.

Anyway, on a better note, we at yourNAV.com have had a GO 720T review unit (with the included RDS/TMC antenna) for perusal for some time now, and so we are able to provide an insight of what you can expect when you get hold of one of the new units. We present to you: our review of the new TomTom GO 720T series!

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TomTom GO 720T

In the box
The GO 720T is currently the top-of-the-line model of the new GO x20 series. It ships with the detailed map of Western Europe included, and sells for an approx. price of ¤ 550. Inside the box, there is the device itself, the windscreen mount, a 12/24 volts car charger and a docking station and USB cable. Also included standard with this T-unit is a new and improved RDS/TMC receiver, which is used for downloading (free) traffic information to the unit. This receiver is missing from the box of the 'normal' GO 720, which sells for about ¤ 50 less at the usual (online) shops.

We'll provide more detail on the different parts later on; first we'll have a look at the device itself.

It doesn't take an expert to notice that TomTom has thrown the conventional design of the previous GO ranges range out of the window with the new x20 series. Gone is the 'round belly' of the TomTom GO and what remains is a very compact device, measuring 118 x 83 x 24 millimetres, and weighing in at 220 grams. These are very comfortable dimensions, which for the first time offer the possibility of simply sliding the unit into your jacket pocket, despite it's fairly large 4.3 inch touch-screen. This allows for easy portability, and is a remarkable improvement. It will probably be a big selling point for many new customers.


GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?On the front of the 720T, there are two small holes, containing a microphone (number 1 on the illustration) and a light sensor (2). Below, to the right, there is a small green LED (3), which lights when the GO is connected to an external power source. The on/off button (4) is located on top of the device.

On the back are the connector (5) for an optional external antenna, and a silvery part (6), to which the windscreen mount attaches. Below the grid (7) there's the built-in speaker.

There are also a lot of connections on the bottom of the device. Unlike the x10 range, but similar to the 'One' models, TomTom has chosen to provide only a passive mount (completely free of built-in electronics and/or connections) with this new x20 series, and to mount all the necessary connections on the bottom of the device itself. There is a connection for headphones or line out (8), and for the TMC receiver (9), a reset hole (10) and a mini USB connector (11), which serves both for connection to a computer and to charge the GO. Finally, despite the fact that all new GO's are shipped with internal flash memory (2 GB in the case of the 720), there is still a SD card slot (12), which can be used when you need extra storage space for maps, photos or MP3 files.

Software and maps
As already stated, the GO 720T ships with 2 GB of internal flash memory. More than 1.5 GB of that memory is used for the supplied Western European map (version 705.1480). This map version is based on the 2007-4 release of map supplier Tele Atlas, which was released in April. It provides seamless coverage for Andorra, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Finland, France, The United Kingdom, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, The Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Portugal, San Marino, Spain, Vatican City, Sweden and Switzerland. A separate map of the Canary Islands is also provided.

Also installed into the flash memory, is the latest version of TomTom's navigational software: NavCore 7. The first shipments will come with version 7.000 build 8286 installed, but you can expect several small updates to appear in the following months, which should solve small imperfections. New GO x20 owners are therefore advised to check for updates on a regular basis, through the provided HOME desktop application software.

GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?NavCore 7 is literally filled to the brim with new features. Even though many are intended to make the life of the TomTom user easier, one of these new options really shines: MapShare, the map improvement technology with which a user can not only make his own adjustments to the digital maps of his unit, but also to share those corrections with all users of the new software.

In this review we'll especially concentrate on the hardware of the new GO 720T. It is expected though that NavCore 7, including MapShare, will become available for ALL TomTom devices after the summer. We will pay a lot more attention to this new software in the coming months, but for a first impression, we would refer you to our specials: First meet with TomTom NavCore 7 and TomTom Map Share: how & what?


Components
Interestingly, TomTom has returned to using the well known SiRF Star III chipset, for these models, after their switch to the Hammerhead chipset used in the ONE XL (** do we know why?**). The SiRF Star III is renowned for its high performance, especially if used in conjunction with the downloadable QuickGPSfix utility. A fix is usually obtained within a few seconds, and remains very stable, even under variable conditions.

A 400 Mhz CPU provides the processing power of the 720, which, in combination with the 64 MB of built-in RAM and the 2 GB flash memory, is very well up to it's route-calculating task. We use the 1,670 kilometres of driving distance between Oegstgeest in southern Holland and the Piazza di San Marco in Rome as our usual test route, and this model calculated it in less than 30 seconds, which is really very fast. For comparison: the GO 910 equipped with the same Western European map needs almost a minute for the same calculation and the ONE XL is even slower, taking 1 minute and 8 seconds. This is a nice plus for the x20's.

We do have our reservations as well though. We've noticed while driving that the maps cannot always keep up with the real-life situation and the cursor that indicates the vehicles current position sometimes 'jumps ahead', to make up for the 'gap' that has occurred. If the unit's processing power or its GPS connection is at fault here, we don't know. Still, it's an issue that needs some attention (although on a lighter note it's nice to see you can now customise the cursor to be whatever you like, even your own car!)

GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?
Mount
Onto the connection in the car. Until recently I always used a GO 910. I had attached the active mount of this device onto a fixed spot of my dashboard, and neatly tucked away all the cables for power, TMC, audio out and external microphone. All I ever needed to do was click the GO onto its mount, and off I went.

No more so with the new mount. As already mentioned, TomTom has chosen a passive mount this time. No electronics are built into the mount, and hence no cables or extras can be directly connected to the mount any more. Every time you want to use your x20, you will always have to connect the TMC receiver (if needed), and the power cable to the device. Although I can understand TomTom's reasons for this new approach (after the x10 mount fiasco), I still think it's a step backwards. Here is an opportunity for third-party mount suppliers to step into the gap, it appears that Brodit, for one, are already designing an active mount version.

The mounting of the device itself is, after a bit of getting used to, very simple. The square block on the mount simply needs to be slid into the silvery part on the back of GO. The round element on the back of the device with the TomTom hands, applies a bit of pressure with the help of a small spring, and keeps everything well in place. Removal is also not a problem, and, after a bit of practice, can even be done one-handed. The suction cup, of the same type we've come to know from the ONE and ONE XL, performs excellently. After moistening it a bit first, and then firmly pressing it against the windscreen, it's not going anywhere. A ball-joint mechanism with good friction enables the user to optimise the position of the device after it has been attached to the mount.

Docking
Like with the GO x10 series, TomTom also ships a docking station with the x20 series, which we believe is a very cool accessory. Not only is it used to charge the device, but also to connect the device to a computer with for uploading software and map updates (Map Share) via TomTom's 'Home' utility software.

GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?The new docking does have the limitation that the charging is also done via the USB port. If connected to a computer, this doesn't go very smoothly. The amount of milliampères a USB port can provide is a lot smaller than a regular mains power supply can provide. If the unit is to be powered up while connected to the PC, there may be little spare capacity to charge the battery at the same time. There will also be an optional docking station for 220/240 volts, but that one won''t allow a simultaneous connection to your PC.

Voices and sound
Both units in the new range feature text-to-speech voices rather than restricting them to the top of the range model, a very smart move by TomTom, we reckon. TTS is a very useful addition to the navigational experience, and we've been using these voices for more than a year now.

Unfortunately, we have to say that the sound quality of the new GO is not as good as that of the x10 series. This will be due to the flat shape of the GO 720. TomTom cannot change the laws of physics: for a rich, warm sound, a large speaker and a resonant box is needed. Since the new x20 lost its back-bulge, this has had an effect on the sound quality. But that is not the only reason:

To save space, TomTom has used heavier data compression on the TTS files. The total file size of a TTS voice has been reduced from 572 MB on the GO 910 to a mere 44 MB on the new GO's! A magnificent achievement, but of course, heavier compression has consequences for the sound quality. As a result, all the TTS voices now sound much more 'tinny' and even crackle a bit at times. But rest assured: the sound is still very acceptable, and we can surely live with it. Besides, we wouldn't want to be without TTS any more!

The new GO also features the option of using your own navigational instructions and for this 57 speech fragments need to be recorded. Granted this takes a fair bit of time, but the end result is definitely worth it. Although it is not going to be the feature which causes a sell-out, it's still very nice to be guided around with the voice of your own children for example. You could even add a fewGO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'? 'pleasantries' to the voices here and there!

FM transmitter
Continuing the topic of sound: the GO 720T also features an FM transmitter. A similar transmitter was already available for the x10 range, in the form of an optional car mount, but one is now fitted as standard into the device. The thought behind this functionality is of course very good: just set your GO to a free FM frequency, preset your car stereo to the same frequency, and voila: instant instructions through the car stereo. But as with so many things, it looks better on paper than in practice.
GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?
During our tests, it became apparent that the sound level of the transmitter output is too low. This meant we needed to crank up the volume of our car stereo a lot before the music and instructions were loud enough to hear and understand. But imagine what happens if you switch back again to a normal FM radio station, without remembering to lower the volume again. We can assure you: the first time this happens to you, you will want it to be the last! So our conclusion about the FM transmitter is: a nice thought, but badly implemented, and because of that an unusable feature.
GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?
Speech recognition
Completely new for TomTom is the ability to enter your destination address into the device by simply speaking it out loud. For this, choose the menu option 'navigate to spoken address', and the software will then ask you to pronounce the city name (see pic on top to the side). After this you will be presented with a list of possible selections sorted by probability (bottom pic) and you select the place you wanted by saying the number next to the correct place name. The street and house number are selected in the same way and after all this, simply saying the 'OK' command will make it start the route calculation.
GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?
We have to admit we had our reservations at the thought of this feature. Would this work? We can already assure you: YES! It works beautifully! We held a short test, in which we at random chose 10 completely different place names. The GO 720T scored a perfect 100%, by which we mean that all the places were displayed on position 1 in the list. The same happened for the street names and numbers. Subtle differences in names, like 'church road' and 'long church road' for example are detected without a problem. Unfortunately, with this version of software, they have not extended the feature to allow Postcode destinations to be entered by this method.

Our test with speech recognition was done in a quiet spot and admittedly in an environment with more ambient noise, things become a bit more difficult, we are still very much impressed with the functionality of this feature, and we can't wait until TomTom will extend it's possibilities so the complete GO will be controllable via voice.

Handsfree phoning
Since the GO 700, it has been possible to use your PND as a handsfree set in your car, although many have had issues with the quality. TomTom claims this functionality has improved a lot, thanks to the implementation of a new sound system. Our tests confirm this claim. In general the technology and the quality of the built-in microphone are more than adequate for having a GO 720: TomTom's new 'do-it-all'?well-understandable conversation. But for some reason TomTom have not provided any option for an external microphone to the x20 series. No matter how good the quality of the built-in microphone may be, a microphone closer to your mouth will always be better. A bad move, we think.

No TMC in UK?
Of course we can't finish this review without mentioning the TMC system for retrieval of traffic information on the T-versions of the GO x20's. This feature has been a problem child for TomTom since day one. Up to now, TomTom has not been able to smoothly implement this feature.

There was only one problem: for reviewing purposes, we received a GO 720T, as said, this is the unit with the TMC antenna included. However, several sources have mentioned to us that the T-version of the unit will NOT be available in the UK. We can only imagine this is because of the large amount of problems the previous TMC antenna has caused for TomTom.

We asked TomTom for a reaction. This is how they responded:
"We indeed do not ship the GO 720T in the UK at this time. It is hoped that in the future we will be able to, when we have RDS/TMC hardware that functions in that specific region, and lives up to our quality expectations. We do not have a timeline for this, and therefore cannot say when this will happen. We are sorry to be so vague about this, but at this moment it’s still uncertain whether we will ever ship a GO 720T in the UK."

So there you have it: no TMC with the new x20 series in the UK. Of course, we DO have such a 720T at our disposal now. Should we test it or not? Of course we should!

We went forward with the testing, and it didn’t take long before we found out that TomTom’s fear of releasing this piece of hardware with the unit was not unfounded.

Because the TMC antenna that shipped with the unit is a new and improved version, we had high hopes. But unfortunately, all in vain. As it turned out, the main problem is still getting a connection with a radio station which broadcasts the TMC signal. A lot of times this fails. We've made many test drives during which no TMC information could be retrieved after many minutes of searching. A lot of times it failed to make a connection completely.

Once you get a 'lock', everything does work as advertised. But a lot of times we had almost reached our destination before this lock was established. Or, even worse, we were already stuck in traffic by then. We don't believe this could be the intention of a ¤ 50 accessory.

So as it turns out, TomTom probably made the right choice by excluding the RDS/TMC antenna from the 720’s package, and thus not selling a 720T in the UK. But on the other hand, why sell it in other countries. All of our testing was done in Holland, and we can’t really claim TMC did work over there.

We’re sure this isn’t the last we’ll ever hear of TMC, and we’re equally sure it’ll continue to cause more headaches for the TomTom developers in the process. Of course we’ll follow this issue closely, and report any new breakthroughs…

Good score
Conclusion
Let there be no doubt: we think the new TomTom GO 720 is an absolute jewel. We very much like it’s new and handy dimensions. We absolutely adore the excellent GPS reception, the 4.3 inch screen, the very fast route calculation and the wonderful speech recognition features. You may add the –in our opinion- still unmatched navigational software to that, and it will be clear that TomTom still lives up to the status of market leader.

But of course, there are a few things about this 720 we would have liked to have been different. And maybe we are a bit too strict, but when TomTom releases a new top-of-the-line navigational device, our demands are high. For example, we would have liked an active mount, we had to conclude the sound quality has dropped somewhat compared to previous GO’s, and the FM transmitter feature is currently unusable.

The TMC feature, that’s a different matter altogether. We consider the functionality of TMC, as it exists now with the GO, unworthy of a company like TomTom. Because who wants to pay a fair bonus for something which most of the time doesn’t even work?

But, as said, this will not be a problem for the UK customer, since the TMC antenna will not be available in the UK, for exactly that reason. Hence, it’s only fair we don’t take this awful TMC functionality into account before reaching of our final verdict, and so the new TomTom GO 720 still receives the ‘thumbs-up’ award. But we have to be honest: if TMC had been included, this would not have been the case…
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Rob Ot
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Posted on: August 2, 2007 14:30 h
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mjdj1689
Posts: 72

Posted on: August 2, 2007 16:58 h
Also after getting mine the first time you set it up the screen can freeze and the unit resets itself.

And there is no carrying case for the unit which is a letdown and with tom tom selling them at 19 pounds upwards I would wait until an ebay shop sells them,
stingray
Posts: 253

Posted on: August 2, 2007 20:06 h
stingray Did I get this right? 720 will not have TMC in the UK? GGG if so, this unit is dead already.. my built-in Honda Nav System uses TMC beautifully, shows the actual congestion along the route plus a whole host of warning icons but best of all.. Traffic summaries pin pointing he troubled areas with Queue length, type of obstruction, expected delay plus a few other things. This works EVERYTIME with a GPS & TMC fix within a few seconds in all conditions I’ve experienced so far.
greyboy
Posts: 311

Posted on: August 2, 2007 20:32 h
Great review guys! Also, stingray, the article said that the 720T with TMC is not available in the UK at this time, they could do it in the future, but for now just us in the US. That sounds like a first for me that we got something before you guys did. I haven't been able to go to the store and see if there on the shelves yet but I can't wait to play around with one.
police
Posts: 2

Posted on: August 3, 2007 13:34 h
About FM transmitter I read that you need to pump volume. Can be depend from type of radio you use!! Can you try with a different radio? Quality of suond is good? Signal is stable or you noticed some interference during your trip?
Thanks
stingray
Posts: 253

Posted on: August 3, 2007 16:21 h
stingray why would a European company release TMC option in the states first?! I guess they have a good reason? Maybe use the Americans as beta-testers and when they've complained loads about all the bugs etc.. put out a decent TMC antenna for us in the UK! lol Just kidding dont get all ratty!

Anyhow, Im using my integrated in-car Honda Nav system with TMC which is bloody marvelous and is fully voice controlled (see pic) so I can afford to wait if indeed i do actually buy a 720?!


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Red lines show traffic both sides of the carriageway (Center photo)
oldbwl
Posts: 64

Posted on: August 3, 2007 21:32 h
oldbwl I prefer to mount my existing TT GO 300 low so that the mount is resting on the dashboard, I find it helps stabilise things, give better vision etc. I am thinking of upgrading to the 520. Now I know it has the charger underneath stabilising it on the dash wont really work that well with a cable in the way. Most of my trips are multiple hours in length so relying solely on the battery is not an option. I can feel a Brodit mount for the air outlet coming on!
MECCAA
Posts: 69

Posted on: August 3, 2007 23:50 h
MECCAA I like the 720, ok it has some small things that we would like improved but what a nice bit of kit. A nice simple windscreen holder that works great. I think typeing the address will be faster than telling it because if there is some small noise in the background you have to keep repeating the address. I have noticed that it seems to pick up sats really quickly when you turn it on. You can change the arrow for driving from arrow to car or motorbike, I took a photo of the back of my car and have put my own car on and it looks pretty good. Im not bothered about mp3s or photos. Hands free works ok. No case or product card shame about the case, a small soft rap around would have done just to protect it a bit. I noticed when I am experimenting and I have to experiment that if you put another map on from your old ttone xl the speech part of it will not work as it says this is not an updated map and I have found out why. It charges ok from the base with my old usb charger from my ttone, £5 off ebay. The base can also be used and charged in the car with a 5v usb car cigar charger. I have a good place for the base in the car and have just found a soft case that fits it like a glove from an old gaget. (great) Have not tried FM and some of the other things but that will come. All in all I would say worth the money (Yes)
mgirg
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Posted on: August 4, 2007 12:20 h
Great review, but I am torn between the tomtom 720 and the Nuvi 660t so I have a few questions.

1) How does the FM transmitter compare for both of them (i have heard that the nuvi one isnt upto much either)?

2) does the TMC module for the Nuvi work well in the UK or does it experience the same reception problems as the tomtom?

3) What size SD cards can the tomtom take?

4)and finally, although your reviews are very good and fairly objective, can I just ask you subjectively if it was your money whihc one would you buy?

Thanks

Mike
Bart
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Posted on: August 4, 2007 13:43 h
Bart 1) Indeed. The FM transmitter feature is not a very good one, in either devices. This has nothing to do with the decvices itself really, but more with the fact that those transmitters are obligated by law to transmit at such a weak signal, almost everything jams it.

2) No first-hand experience with that myself, sorry. But if it were up to me, I'd probably not go with TMC at all, and pay for a TomTom trafic subscription. I have better experiences with Traffic than with TMC. Of course Traffic costs some money, but so does a TMC antenna...

3) Any size that is not the SDHD standard. Effectively, this means up to 2 GB for sure, and even some 4 GB cards (not all!) All cards larger than 4 GB will be SDHD standard and will therefor not work. (although I haven't really tested SDHD card with the 720, but I still guess they are not compatible. - anyone?)

4) Most likely the 720. I like the flues screen display, screen colours and maps beter. But that's just personal preference...
Captain Nemo 2nd
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Posted on: August 4, 2007 19:25 h
Captain Nemo 2nd
QUOTE(MikeGirgis @ Aug 4 2007, 11:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great review, but I am torn between the tomtom 720 and the Nuvi 660t so I have a few questions.

1) How does the FM transmitter compare for both of them (i have heard that the nuvi one isnt upto much either)?

Mike


All I have to say about the FM Transmitter on my 720 is FANTASTIC!!!,
I have a BMW 520d 2006 and the radio in that picks it up brilliantly, make sure you use a fequency that is in the middle of two stations, I only have to turn my volume up a little bit

Nemo
gbronzer
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Posted on: August 5, 2007 02:49 h
If it makes you Europeans feel better about not having TMC, the US 720 doesn't have speech recognition like the European model. Who knows why...
mgirg
Posts: 29

Posted on: August 5, 2007 08:21 h
Thats great thanks for the quick reply. I think I will get the 720 then when it comes out in australia. One las question though does anyone know if the Australian one will have voice recognition for destinations like the european one or will it not like the american one?

Thanks for all the help

Mike
greyboy
Posts: 311

Posted on: August 6, 2007 04:19 h
What does everyone think of the Map Share function on the 720? That looks like one of the best new features I've heard of. I'm sure it will be better when more people have 720s, but I still wouldn't mind having it now.
ARTHOS
Posts: 2

Posted on: August 6, 2007 09:36 h
when i try FIND NEAREST petrol & public transport is ok (local)(uk)
but police ,pharmacy & doctor show nearest in IRELAND

ANOTHER PROBLEM...when i went on the M6 motorway today it said speed limit was still 60mph. instead of 70 ??

get no answer fromm tomtom yet
Andy_P
Posts: 5730

Posted on: August 6, 2007 13:48 h
Andy_P
QUOTE(arthos @ Aug 6 2007, 08:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
when i try FIND NEAREST petrol & public transport is ok (local)(uk)
but police ,pharmacy & doctor show nearest in IRELAND

ANOTHER PROBLEM...when i went on the M6 motorway today it said speed limit was still 60mph. instead of 70 ??

get no answer fromm tomtom yet



I'm afraid you'll have to get used to these...

The POIs for Doctors, Dentists etc are simply dreadful, always have been. I think they come as part of the package when they buy in the map data from TeleAtlas and they don't bother to check it.

But by adding this new "Help me" feature, TomTom have shot themselves in the foot, because lots of people who would never have thought of looking for their nearest, will now try it and realise how rubbish the coverage is. On my old UK and Eire map, ALL the doctors and dentists were in Dublin! Now I have a 720, all my nearest Doctioros are in France!

TomTom should be ashamed of themselves for using their POI collections as a selling point, but when I've complained in the past they just say "if you don't like ours, you can add your own."

Road speed limits - again this is "nothing to do with TomTom" but is an error in the data on the map from TeleAtlas. There are hundreds of these incorrect speeds. At least this is one of the things you can correct with Mapshare, so things like this MAY get corrected quite quickly now. We must wait and see.

Also, not TomTom look like they are buying TeleAtlas, they won't be able to blame someone else any more!
The_Spook
Posts: 204

Posted on: August 8, 2007 09:53 h
The_Spook
QUOTE(greyboy @ Aug 2 2007, 20:32) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
..the article said that the 720T with TMC is not available in the UK at this time...but for now just us in the US. That sounds like a first for me that we got something before you guys did.

The article didn't say the 720T would be available in the US. That's probably because it isn't!

QUOTE(gbronzer @ Aug 5 2007, 02:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it makes you Europeans feel better about not having TMC...

Nearly all Europeans do have the TMC version. It is only the British that don't.
Draca
Posts: 110

Posted on: August 8, 2007 14:47 h
Draca there are just 3 wrong things about this device.

1. it doesn't have an active mount, not even as an extra option. it should have, not everyone wants to connect fifty cables to the device every time they sit down in the car, or remove them when they leave the car. (love my TT500, it's just click&go) i would pay extra for it, surely others would as well.

2. FM-transmitter... why? bad quality, you can't listen to the stereo, no radio, no cd, no anything, while you're on the "tomtom frequency" instead you have to listen to bad quality streamed mp3 from your gps mixed with hihgly compressed voice-directions.. not very pleasing when you got a 2500$ sound system in your car, so no thanks.

3. external TMC addon.. why not integrate it into the gps? every other company can do it, why not tomtom.

in fact, why not replace the FM transmitter with the TMC receiver, they should take up about the same space requirements.

other than that this is definately one of the best tomtom devices so far. IMHO. i would have bought one yesterday if it had an active mount and built in TMC.
Bart
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Posted on: August 8, 2007 15:46 h
Bart Spot on Draca, I agree with all of your points.

They should also add the A2DP protocol to their Bluetooth stack, so music could also be streamed with Bluetooth to the headunit. This would not have the bad sound quality the FM transmitter has.
Another advantage is they it could be connected to the headunit via the mobile phone trigger, so the normal radio/cd music would be muted every time a voice command is spoken...
A much more elegant solution!
Andy_P
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Posted on: August 8, 2007 17:23 h
Andy_P I've heard that Brodit are working on an active mount.
greyboy
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Posted on: August 8, 2007 20:18 h
Are all GPS manufacturers looking for an alternative to FM transmitter mounts? It sounds like its the best solution out there right now but it could use improvement - I haven't used one myself yet. Additionally, please share any info on the active mount if you find it - sounds like something I'd like to see. Overall sounds like everyone is pretty pleased with 720 and I'm sill interesting in playing with the map update thing. Is anyone have that hooked up yet?
stingray
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Posted on: August 9, 2007 11:50 h
stingray to the reviewer of the 720 in this forum.

I quote from your review "" We consider the functionality of TMC, as it exists now with the GO, unworthy of a company like TomTom ""

Isn't this a case of "a bad workman always blames his tools" ? If TMC is so bad in the UK how come my integrated Honda Nav with its TMC works so well? And what about the Garmin units? They use TMC without any problems in the UK don't they? And then there is Traffic Masters own line of products... Don't any of those work either?

Sorry but i cant get my head around your logic!!!
Jolly Roger
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Posted on: August 9, 2007 12:36 h
Jolly Roger The reviewer is criticising the TMC hardware as supplied by tomtom.. not the TMC service itself.

As you say, several other manufacturers have TMC units that work ok so why can't tomtom get it right?
Bart
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Posted on: August 9, 2007 16:20 h
Bart
QUOTE(Jolly Roger @ Aug 9 2007, 12:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reviewer is criticising the TMC hardware as supplied by tomtom.. not the TMC service itself.

As you say, several other manufacturers have TMC units that work ok so why can't tomtom get it right?

Spot on JR!
Andy_P
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Posted on: August 10, 2007 04:09 h
Andy_P
QUOTE(greyboy @ Aug 8 2007, 19:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
please share any info on the active mount if you find it - sounds like something I'd like to see.


There is a review of the Brodit "active" mount for the TT One XL on the PGPSW site HERE.


I guess the version for the x20 will be very similar.
stingray
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Posted on: August 10, 2007 23:28 h
stingray I spent some time with a 720 the other day..! If I were to review this unit i'd simply say "Just Another SatNav" Manufactures are putting out the same old crud and ignoring essential features. Why people get excited just coz its shiny and new is beyond me. I wish they'd give me the £300 so easily!

Ignore the gimmicks - IMO the 720 does not bear any significant improvement or advantage over any other similar class system on the market today, simply because it will not get me home any quicker! Lets face it.. Thats what these units are supposed to do! Manufacturers constantly refuse to implement the most important aspects of such a system.

This is not just aimed at the GPS manufactures but at the map suppliers themselves who have the monopoly and don't they know it?!

Issues:

1) MAPS: To find your way on any Electronic nav system you need proper cartography that provides the user with the maximum information. TT cartography is limited to say the least and doesnt appeal to anyone driving off road for example. (why do you think RoadAngel brought out a Topo Road map?! - this feature has not yet been fully exploited by the company..im watching their space!) Vector/stick like roads are confusing and limiting as there is virtually no landmark indicators to go on.. (POI's?!! PUHHH What POI's?!!) when one is lost its not just road signs that get you home!

2) The ALL Important ROUTING: Absolutely ZERO progress since they first invented autorouting! How many times have you changed the routing method during your journey on your SatNav?!! EXACTLY! All manufacturers need to understand that forcing the user to use one or the other Routing method will nearly always result inaccurate routing.. Wasting time going off then back on roads etc.. this happens with my TT700 a lot! - This is because there is no AI that instructs the NavSystem on road class and times of the day.
What is needed is a Fuzzy type logic so the unit recognizes times of the day and can avoid certain class roads near busy town centers during rush hour for example etc.. This combined with TMC is what I would call The Best Route

3) TMC - An absolute must for any regular user of a road mapping system. Can u imagine an aircraft system that didnt know of any other aircraft in its vicinity?! God forbid!!! No excuse for omission! TMC is the 2nd most important aspect of any road nav system bar GPS itself!
Rocky555
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Posted on: August 22, 2007 21:24 h
Hi,
I am very close to shelling out my hard earned cash on either the 720 or Nuvi 660- any comments that may help me sway one way?

One thing I really would like to know, and is something that could clinch it for TomTom, is this;

CAN YOU PLAN YOUR ROUTE ( ie CHOOSE WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO) ON YOUR HOME PC AND THEN DOWNLOAD THAT ROUTE ONTO THE 720?

Thanks very much.
Bart
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Posted on: August 22, 2007 23:58 h
Bart Not with the software that is shipped with the GO, no. You can with the 660.
le
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Posted on: August 23, 2007 08:14 h
QUOTE(Bart @ Aug 22 2007, 23:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not with the software that is shipped with the GO, no. You can with the 660.


But with Google map or AutoRoute and use of free software like ITNConv you can.
mgirg
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Posted on: August 23, 2007 10:04 h
QUOTE(le @ Aug 23 2007, 14:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bart @ Aug 22 2007, 23:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not with the software that is shipped with the GO, no. You can with the 660.


But with Google map or AutoRoute and use of free software like ITNConv you can.



correct me if im wroong but i read somewhere that the 660 only allows one way point on any give route, so if you are going on a long trip from one distination to the next you haveto continually enter the next destination after. Is this true? it is a small point but one that is pushing me more to the 720
cdnq43
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Posted on: August 24, 2007 23:34 h
QUOTE(le @ Aug 23 2007, 07:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bart @ Aug 22 2007, 23:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not with the software that is shipped with the GO, no. You can with the 660.


But with Google map or AutoRoute and use of free software like ITNConv you can.



Or use Tyre with Google Earth (both free).
greyboy
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Posted on: August 27, 2007 02:54 h
I just started using the 720 last week - haven't had a change to test out the Map Share yet, but as soon as I do I'll post some feedback. So far its worked really well, the interface is really nice, the mp3 player works well. Also had the latest version of maps preinstalled which is nice. Don't have a FM transmitter mount yet but will look into it. So far I like it, its amazing how thin it is looking back at the 300s and 700s.
le
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Posted on: August 27, 2007 09:09 h