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No NavCore 8 for older SatNavsTomTomSoftware

No NavCore 8 for older SatNavs

October 23 2008, 14:09

TomTom have announced that they will not release the most recent version of NavCore for older SatNav models anymore.

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By yourNAV editors
No NavCore 8 for older SatNavsSince April this year, NavCore 8 has been available on TomTom SatNavs. This most recent version of the navigational software first came onto the market installed onto the GO x30 series. The following months, the software was also released for other TomTom models via TomTom HOME.

Plans
During a meeting for forum admins, recently held at the TomTom headquarters, the Company let us know that they are not planning on releasing NavCore 8 for older TomTom models, like the GO Classic, GO’s x00 and x10 series, older ONE models and the two RIDER models. These devices do not contain the necessary horsepower to be able to provide the NavCore 8 features in an acceptable fashion to the user.

This news means that motorists who are currently still using one of the aforementioned models will probably never see features like Lane Guide Assistance, IQ Routes and recent corrections via Map Share working on the SatNavs. This group of users will also not be able to use the new themes and menu designs with their units.

Mapping Material
TomTom have said that they will release an update to NavCore 7 for these customers, which will enable the use of mapping material of version 8. This means the users will still be able to update their maps to the most recent version, which is essential for a good navigational experience.

Just to be clear, here’s a list of all the TomTom models which can make use of NavCore 8:
GO x40, GO x30, GO x20, ONE 3rd edition, ONE XL HD Traffic, ONE XL, ONE 30 series and XL 30 series.
For a list of the current version per model we refer to our summary.

Map Share
TomTom let us know that currently they have not yet distributed all Map Share corrections for all the currently used map versions yet.

The Company is still catching up after the server problems they experienced, and this procedure should be finished by the end of the month. TomTom claims they don’t know what number or percentage of corrections have not yet been released to the Map Share community.

About 30% of all the Map Share corrections that were reported so far are already included in the next Tele Atlas map release. This will be Tele Atlas map version 2008.10, which will be released by TomTom (and other SatNav manufacturers) early next year.


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Rob Ot
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Posted on: October 23, 2008 14:09 h
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TomTom have announced that they will not release the most recent version of NavCore for older SatNav models anymore.


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Jolly Roger
Posts: 2395

Posted on: October 23, 2008 14:18 h
Jolly Roger Cant pretend I didn't see this coming, dry.gif
I can see their point though.. my 300 slowed down a little when the screen resolution was increased between V 5 and 6.
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 23, 2008 15:31 h
Wishlist Yep, I ran an experimental err cough blush.gif version of nav8 on my classic and it stopped in its tracks if you asked it to do anything.
nmg196
Posts: 32

Posted on: October 23, 2008 15:51 h
> my 300 slowed down a little when the screen resolution was increased between V 5 and 6.

You can't change the screen resolution with a software upgrade. It's a hardware feature. So you're either very confused, or you didn't mean to say screen resolution smile.gif
raoul
Posts: 1

Posted on: October 23, 2008 16:38 h
is tomtom joking?

For example tt700 has a 400MHz cpu (ARM type) with 64 MB ram, the same of tt930, that runs core 8, so, it could only be that there is a marketing reason... if you want core 8 you have to buy newest tt go.
nosenseuk
Posts: 24

Posted on: October 23, 2008 16:56 h
Well i think its the right way for TT to go. I think each model should have a sell by date and they cant keep on updating all the models to allow more functions.

plub
Posts: 6

Posted on: October 23, 2008 20:52 h
So my next one will definitly be anything else but tomtom.
nmg196
Posts: 32

Posted on: October 23, 2008 21:22 h
QUOTE (plub @ Oct 23 2008, 19:52) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So my next one will definitly be anything else but tomtom.


Why? Do you think any of the other manufacturers offer infinite free upgrades? If you do, please let me know who they are because I've not found any. Navman don't. Garmin don't. Mio don't.
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 23, 2008 22:50 h
Wishlist I am prepared to be corrected here but….. the likes of Garmin, Mio etc have never tried to pull a fast one and changed the colour of a sat nav and called it a new version and denied the new versions usage to the older users. bomb.gif It leaves a bad taste in your mouth that. To me that is on par with Mr Ratnor saying “we sell crap”. TT have consistently and it would seem deliberately tried to upset the loyal followers by dreaming up new money grabbing schemes like this in the last few years. Which is why I suspect he feels that way! I have 4 TTs, now but I don’t think I will get to the 5 stage unless something truly amazing is launched. And I have not seen anything new that appeals to my wallet lately. Just more money grabbing ideas from TT in various guises. I am "off on one" now but I mean for example, taking the itn off the little ones, that was just pathetic but typical TT.
Oskar
Posts: 49

Posted on: October 23, 2008 22:55 h
Oskar Isn't it legitimate for TomTom that they want to sell new PND's rather than to give away firmware free of charge?

From an ONE Classic user point of view TomTom provided him with seven (!) generations of navcore. We all knew that they had to do the cut one day, and now the time has come.

It seems the only reason to complain might be TomTom's argumentation. It's a silly one of course but it's not worth a discussion, for the decision is comprehensible anyway.


Oskar
Greetings from Germany
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 23, 2008 23:01 h
Wishlist It might have been more than 7 but 5 of them were full of bugs! But not the point. The classic cant run the firmware even if you wanted to run V8, but the 700 will! But that was not what I was on about.
Entwood
Posts: 33

Posted on: October 23, 2008 23:01 h
In one fell swoop TT have just increased the traffic to illegal sites. Navcore 8 works well on the 700, along with the latest maps... I'll use illegal software before I'm forced - blackmailed?? - into buying a new TT just to enhance their profits. This is a rip-off of the first degree, and the excuse "they don't have the power" is patently not true.
Andy_P
Posts: 6328

Posted on: October 24, 2008 03:22 h
Andy_P I realy don't understand how you can be angry.
Disappointed, yes, but what on Earth makes you think TomTom *have* to provide you with free software updates for ever?
If I want new features on any of my PC programs , I expect to pay through the nose for them.
And as NickG says above, none of the other manufacturers have provided constant free updates like TomTom has up to now.
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 24, 2008 10:42 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (Andy_P @ Oct 24 2008, 02:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Disappointed, yes, , none of the other manufacturers have provided constant free updates like TomTom has up to now.
Ahh but the thing is Andy and this is where (in my case anyway) the disappointment comes in, TT have launched so many models in such a short space of time that even my relatively new 720 which was launched as a top of the range model pretty recently was within a really short space of time revamped, rebadged renamed and given some better firmware which as of yet I do not have access to unless I buy a new model or get it from the naughty sites which as Entwood is suggesting people will go. ph34r.gif That’s where the disappointment creeps in. No one is suggesting TT should not launch true new products of course you have to or die, but to cut off people that have just given you their cash and so soon after purchase is very annoying. The Cliché of biting the hand that feeds you comes to mind. The 8.2 software is out there, TT have my cash but unless I give them more and I buy the latest unit I can’t use it. I know, it will be launched soon, but I will have a 2nd rate version unlike someone who bought the same thing a little while after me. Boo Hoo. cray.gif
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 24, 2008 11:12 h
Wishlist Having said that TT are not the only company to do this, I am just getting a new C Class Merc, the engines in the basic and Elegance model (diesel) are identical and yet the Elegance has almost twice the Torq which is important to me what with the caravan etc. The difference as far as I can tell is they dumbed down the chip in the basic version to make it less appealing but I have to fork out 2.5K extra for basically a small silicon chip and a bit of tarty trim. What is the world coming to!
idf
Posts: 19

Posted on: October 24, 2008 12:17 h
TBH, unless TomTom sorted out the multitude of map errors regarding motorway junctions, I don't see the point in lane guidance.

How many times have you been told to 'keep right' when approaching a junction that had a slip road, or not been told to keep right when the motorway split?
Bruce
Posts: 1016

Posted on: October 24, 2008 13:47 h
Bruce So without Navcore 8 on the old models they won't be able to get a new map? Lovely!
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 24, 2008 14:06 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (Bruce @ Oct 24 2008, 12:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So without Navcore 8 on the old models they won't be able to get a new map? Lovely!



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Mapping Material
TomTom have said that they will release an update to NavCore 7 for these customers, which will enable the use of mapping material of version 8. This means the users will still be able to update their maps to the most recent version, which is essential for a good navigational experience.


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Bruce
Posts: 1016

Posted on: October 24, 2008 19:51 h
Bruce Sorry Wishy, Didn't see that bit!
Phew! I thought for one moment that millions were going to be left high and dry.
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 25, 2008 21:17 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (Bruce @ Oct 24 2008, 18:51) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Wishy, Didn't see that bit!
Phew! I thought for one moment that millions were going to be left high and dry.

And the plot thickens. I have had a couple of e mails from people saying they have had both V8 FW and V8 maps running smoothly on a classic!
Andy_P
Posts: 6328

Posted on: October 26, 2008 02:01 h
Andy_P
QUOTE (Wishlist @ Oct 24 2008, 09:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
..... revamped, rebadged renamed and given some better firmware which as of yet I do not have access to unless I buy a new model or get it from the naughty sites which as Entwood is suggesting people will go.
You're completely wrong there Wish....

Version 8 software *is* available quite legally for the 720, TomTom released it in July (once briefly and then again a few days later)
If you combine that with the v8 maps which are also now available, then you end up with exactly the same facilities as an x30 model.
alanhowat
Posts: 102

Posted on: October 26, 2008 10:39 h
alanhowat Hi there,

I find this extremely annoying, my 910 was/is working perfectly but yesterday I upgraded to a 930T. I appreciate the difficulty TT has updating the software but my 910 was only purchased in January 2007. I know that map updates will be available, One thing that pleases me is the fact that I still have a fully operational compass in my 910. My wife now uses the 910.

Cheers for now,

Alan.
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 26, 2008 16:42 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (Andy_P @ Oct 26 2008, 01:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're completely wrong there Wish....

Version 8 software *is* available quite legally for the 720, TomTom released it in July (once briefly and then again a few days later)
If you combine that with the v8 maps which are also now available, then you end up with exactly the same facilities as an x30 model.
Good. My teddy was about to go out of the cot there. You need to update http://www.yournav.com/forum/index.php?sho...ost&p=75602 then as 8.10 is back for X20s' I have it now. Thanks. give_rose.gif <--- ( there was no give beer option!)
Bart
Posts: 3522

Posted on: October 26, 2008 17:53 h
Bart
QUOTE (Wishlist @ Oct 24 2008, 10:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having said that TT are not the only company to do this, I am just getting a new C Class Merc, the engines in the basic and Elegance model (diesel) are identical and yet the Elegance has almost twice the Torq which is important to me what with the caravan etc. The difference as far as I can tell is they dumbed down the chip in the basic version to make it less appealing but I have to fork out 2.5K extra for basically a small silicon chip and a bit of tarty trim. What is the world coming to!

Get the cheapest model, then find a good car tuner. Let them flash the chip in your car. It'll cost you a fraction of the cost you'd have to pay to get the elegance model, and you'll end up with an even better car. (most tuners 'finetune' their flashes, so the engine runs even better (and more economical) than it would with the original software)
Wishlist
Posts: 1173

Posted on: October 26, 2008 18:14 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (Bart @ Oct 26 2008, 16:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Get the cheapest model, then find a good car tuner. Let them flash the chip in your car.

Ha yeah, man in shop said after I pointed this chip thing out that some do this,spiteful.gif but as soon as the first service comes in (which would be very soon for me) I would have no warranty anymore. unsure.gif
Bart
Posts: 3522

Posted on: October 26, 2008 18:33 h
Bart
QUOTE (Wishlist @ Oct 26 2008, 18:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Bart @ Oct 26 2008, 16:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Get the cheapest model, then find a good car tuner. Let them flash the chip in your car.

Ha yeah, man in shop said after I pointed this chip thing out that some do this,spiteful.gif but as soon as the first service comes in (which would be very soon for me) I would have no warranty anymore. unsure.gif

Nah... If they do it right, they can't even see it at the dealer's. Trust me. spiteful.gif
lucifer the dark
Posts: 306

Posted on: October 26, 2008 20:56 h
lucifer the dark I know they're in the business to make money but there really is no good reason not to release the Navcore 8 for older machines like my GO300, it does actually work on the older machines.
sysinfo
Posts: 330

Posted on: October 26, 2008 23:25 h
sysinfo
QUOTE (Bart @ Oct 26 2008, 16:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Wishlist @ Oct 24 2008, 10:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having said that TT are not the only company to do this, I am just getting a new C Class Merc, the engines in the basic and Elegance model (diesel) are identical and yet the Elegance has almost twice the Torq which is important to me what with the caravan etc. The difference as far as I can tell is they dumbed down the chip in the basic version to make it less appealing but I have to fork out 2.5K extra for basically a small silicon chip and a bit of tarty trim. What is the world coming to!

Get the cheapest model, then find a good car tuner. Let them flash the chip in your car. It'll cost you a fraction of the cost you'd have to pay to get the elegance model, and you'll end up with an even better car. (most tuners 'finetune' their flashes, so the engine runs even better (and more economical) than it would with the original software)


OOOh can I flash my Shogun to get more MPG. 27 at the moment
wolftec
Posts: 72

Posted on: October 27, 2008 11:29 h
wolftec Just for the record, and please don't make questions about how to do it

But i have navcore 8 Full on my One XL, and on my wife Go500 and it works perfect.

IQ Roads, Lane assist and all.

marcat21
Posts: 11

Posted on: October 27, 2008 15:13 h
I have Nav 8.2 and Ver 8 of Western Europe running quite happily on my one V2 . Though does say operating in RAM save mode whatever that may be.
Bart
Posts: 3522

Posted on: October 27, 2008 16:32 h
Bart
QUOTE (sysinfo @ Oct 26 2008, 23:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OOOh can I flash my Shogun to get more MPG. 27 at the moment

Very well possible. You should check with a tuner. BHP increases of 20 % to 25% are easily obtainable. Torque will increase a lot too. And as an added bonus, the total petrol consumption will decrease with about 15%. But that's only true if you car has a diesel engine. A petrol engine can also be tuned, but to a much lesser degree. (usually not worth it)
sgould
Posts: 2741

Posted on: October 27, 2008 20:31 h
sgould You can still do interesting things to a petrol engine if it has a turbo!! ;)
SmartDriver
Posts: 231

Posted on: October 28, 2008 14:03 h
SmartDriver
QUOTE (marcat21 @ Oct 27 2008, 14:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have Nav 8.2 running quite happily on my one V2 .


But that has only been released for x40s so you are pushing the boundaries.
Andy_P
Posts: 6328

Posted on: October 30, 2008 17:58 h
Andy_P
QUOTE (Wishlist @ Oct 26 2008, 15:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Andy_P @ Oct 26 2008, 01:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're completely wrong there Wish....

Version 8 software *is* available quite legally for the 720, TomTom released it in July (once briefly and then again a few days later)
If you combine that with the v8 maps which are also now available, then you end up with exactly the same facilities as an x30 model.
Good. My teddy was about to go out of the cot there. You need to update http://www.yournav.com/forum/index.php?sho...ost&p=75602 then as 8.10 is back for X20s' I have it now. Thanks. give_rose.gif <--- ( there was no give beer option!)


Is that a typo Wishlist?
In my list that you linked to, it does say that v8.010 re-appeared for the x20 models, but I didn't know about a v8.10 for them.
If you've got v8.10, can you give us the build numbers etc. and any other details like download date?
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