: Sales of some PND’s have been halted in Switzerland. This is a direct result of the recent ban on the use of safety camera warnings.
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(some) PND’s banned in Switzerland

January 20 2007, 20:38

Sales of some PND’s have been halted in Switzerland. This is a direct result of the recent ban on the use of safety camera warnings.

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By yourNAV editors
(some) PND’s banned in SwitzerlandSince January 10th this year, it has become illegal to use a PND in Switzerland, to warn of safety cameras and mobile speed surveillance locations.

The Swiss police are currently actively searching for navigational systems with any type of camera pre-warning that are being used while driving. When such a device is found, the device is confiscated and destroyed and the motorist can also expect a fine. Not only has the use of these warning devices been banned, but their production, import or sale has also become illegal. Swiss road authority ASTRA announced these measures on January 8th.

Commotion
This legislation has led to a lot of commotion and questions in both Switzerland and abroad. Owners of PND’s want to know exactly which units are now outlawed, and under what conditions the new measures can be enforced.
In short: the regulations apply to all systems, of all types which can enable speed camera warnings.
ASTRA has released a document with answers to frequently asked questions.

As if things weren’t bad enough, the Swiss government have already ordered shopkeepers to stop selling the navigational systems that now appear to be illegal. Retailers have received a list of banned systems, which includes devices by TomTom, Garmin, Mio, Navman, Medion, Route66, Packard Bell, Sony and ViaMichelin where the camera positions are included. Investigations are currently underway to determine whether these new rules are actually legal under the Swiss justice system.

TomTom sent us the following reaction:

“We are aware that the Federal Highways Department (ASTRA) has issued a statement related to GPS navigation and safety camera alerts.
However, TomTom develops all of its products and services with ease of use and safety as a priority and we believe that our safety camera solution enhances road safety and security in Switzerland. We believe our safety camera services are fully legal to use and to sell. As a matter of course however, we are working with ASTRA to fully understand their view on the current legal situation.”

Beware
Foreigners on holiday in Switzerland, or who are merely passing through the country, will now have to be very careful. The use of navigational devices itself has not been made illegal, nor have systems which can determine the position of speed cameras. It’s just that this data cannot be used when on Swiss soil, and the navigational system may not contain data on cameras.

Word is that the Swiss government are unlikely to stop at just this. Publishing camera locations via other methods such as the internet, radio and text-services will also be outlawed soon.


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Rob Ot
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Posted on: January 20, 2007 20:38 h
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Martin4Jay
Posts: 486

Posted on: January 21, 2007 15:29 h
Martin4Jay Oh well I will just make do with a swiss roll rofl.gif
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mitchly
Posts: 34

Posted on: January 21, 2007 17:02 h
And we thought the UK was a nanny state!
FredJ
Posts: 70

Posted on: January 21, 2007 20:16 h
FredJ Oh well !! No Swiss movement then !!
smiley1081
Posts: 11

Posted on: January 21, 2007 20:22 h
smiley1081

And their chocolate is not that good, either!
Wishlist
Posts: 1183

Posted on: January 21, 2007 23:39 h
Wishlist Perhaps if we enabled the cuckoo sound on the POI warnings they would let us off? pardon.gif
Andy_P
Posts: 6602

Posted on: January 22, 2007 00:07 h
Andy_P LOL Wishlist! smile.gif
Brismike
Posts: 127

Posted on: January 22, 2007 03:46 h
Brismike Looks like on my next trip to Europe which will start in Rome where I will hire a car and drive to Holland I will be avoiding Switzerland and driving around it. Most likely via Austria and Germany.

No Great loss really .. I drove thru Switzerland on my last trip and it wasn't really all that much anyway. What a bunch of tossers the Swiss Authorities are.
Bruce
Posts: 1044

Posted on: January 22, 2007 13:31 h
Bruce I don't think they have banned PNDs per se. Just PNDs with installed speed camera locations in Switzerland. If they ban sat navs it would mean some cars would have to have their dashes ripped out to get to the sat nav installed as original equipment.

I find some of the remarks on this thread racially offensive! tease.gif
Andy_P
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 16:23 h
Andy_P
QUOTE (Bruce @ Jan 22 2007, 12:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find some of the remarks on this thread racially offensive! tease.gif


Quite agree in one case.
We try not to censor too much on this forum, but I would be happy to remove the comment by smiley1081 if he would like me too. I'm sure it wasn't meant seriously, but could cause offence.
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: January 22, 2007 17:25 h
TheTremor I always like comments from people who don't even know what they are talking about

Like Bruce correctly stated, PNDs are completely legal, as long as they don't have speed cam POIs of any kind

I've been discussing it with the Swiss Federal Highways Department (ASTRA), and they insist on their point of view. Now TomTom is on the case too

If that nazi reference won't be "censored" then you gladly can delete my account here on this board

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Andy_P
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 17:59 h
Andy_P Well, I've PM'd the OP... if I don't get a response, I'll pass it "upstairs" to Bart.

As for
QUOTE
Like Bruce correctly stated, PNDs are completely legal, as long as they don't have speed cam POIs of any kind
doesn't the original article make that clear too?
TheTremor
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 18:05 h
TheTremor
QUOTE (Andy_P @ Jan 22 2007, 17:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
doesn't the original article make that clear too?


Yes it does. What wasn't clear is the fact that no speed cam POIs of any kind are allowed, so not only locations in Switzerland but also any International ones. I don't know how they are going to control this, but for the time being I wouldn't like to challenge them
Bart
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 21:21 h
Bart
QUOTE (TheTremor @ Jan 22 2007, 17:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like Bruce correctly stated, PNDs are completely legal, as long as they don't have speed cam POIs of any kind

Well, that's why I titled that article (some) PND's banned etc... smile.gif

QUOTE (TheTremor @ Jan 22 2007, 17:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that nazi reference won't be "censored" then you gladly can delete my account here on this board

I remember from former discussions on the Dutch forums that nazi reference are still very offensive to some people. So I've deleted the comment. No need to add weight to your demand by claiming you'll leave this forum otherwise. I would have deleted that comment anyway.
QUOTE (TheTremor @ Jan 22 2007, 18:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know how they are going to control this, but for the time being I wouldn't like to challenge them

I wouldn't either. But it could be as simple as taking two SD cards with you when on holiday: one with safety cam POI's and one without. Then, if the police pulls you over, you can quickly swap the cards. (granted, on 700 and 910 units this would be more difficult)

I'd like to see them prove you were using safety cam POI's on your PND. wacko.gif
Wishlist
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 22:09 h
Wishlist "I'd like to see them prove you were using safety cam POI's on your PND"


Exactly. Everyone there will have a black spot area safety warning POI! wink.gif
Andy_P
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Posted on: January 22, 2007 23:46 h
Andy_P Or even "Natural beauty spot".... lol.gif
Bruce
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Posted on: January 23, 2007 08:28 h
Bruce Whooah!
I make a simple statement and one day later return to find my mailbox full!

I was referring to the remark about the chocolate! tease.gif

The Swiss make very good chocolate.

Seriously perhaps that new programme of Roussillats will come in handy for renaming files at the border. Or perhaps we could have another icon which changes all speed camera POIs to 'Scene of Outstanding Beauty' POIs. wink.gif
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: January 23, 2007 08:47 h
TheTremor
QUOTE (Bruce @ Jan 23 2007, 08:28) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Swiss make very good chocolate.




Thank you Bruce !
cooked
Posts: 4

Posted on: January 23, 2007 12:45 h
...Why complicate things? All we now need in POI's in Switzerland is 'Police checking Nav. systems regularly'. Get your priorities right!
JJS
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Posted on: January 23, 2007 12:49 h
Do you know what about with PNDs where some safety cameras are preloaded? I have nuvi 660, there are preloaded cameras from Garmin for England, France, Netherland and Belgium. I didn't load any custom camera POI, but Garmin's POI I can't delete. Can I use my PND ONLY on navigation in Switzerland?
Andy_P
Posts: 6602

Posted on: January 23, 2007 13:39 h
Andy_P I think that is the very question that the manufacturers are arguing with the Swiss authorities about, and why the Swiss have issued this list of "banned" units. .
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: January 23, 2007 17:10 h
TheTremor There is no list of banned PNDs. From their point of view, it's simple : ALL units that have any kind of speed cam POIs are not allowed on the roads. They don't make any difference if these are Swiss or International locations. At the moment, they even stopped the sale of sat nav units. If the dealers follow these rules is another question alltogether

However I think we shouldn't underestimate the possibilities of the police to control sat nav units. It doesn't take much to read an SD card for example

Believe me, I have been discussing with the ASTRA several times and they represent their point of view. I think the only party able to change the ASTRA's mind could be the industry (manufacturers, distributors and shops)
Wishlist
Posts: 1183

Posted on: January 23, 2007 17:32 h
Wishlist Slightly off topic but worth a laugh to include some Swiss trivia!

Swiss rolls are not Swiss at all, only we in the UK call them that.
They are the only European Country that eats Dogs! They eat Cats too! Dog lard is used there for curing coughs. This is taking pet recycling to the extreme!
They did not invent the cuckoo clock either, that was in Germany in 1738.

None of that is relevant, but it adds to the effect of the thread! Aha. pardon.gif
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: January 23, 2007 17:36 h
TheTremor Swiss rolls are not Swiss at all, only we in the UK call them that. > true
They are the only European Country that eats Dogs! They eat Cats too! Dog lard is used there for curing coughs. ???
They did not invent the cuckoo clock either, that was in Germany in 1738.> true
Wishlist
Posts: 1183

Posted on: January 23, 2007 17:40 h
Wishlist
QUOTE (TheTremor @ Jan 23 2007, 16:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They are the only European Country that eats Dogs! They eat Cats too! Dog lard is used there for curing coughs. ???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat#Switzerland

There is a really gross pic there so dont go if you are Squeamish (thus instantly making everyone go to see!!) tease.gif
cooked
Posts: 4

Posted on: January 23, 2007 18:35 h
I am a bit surprised by this new regulation as the Swiss regularly broadcast on their local radio warnings about radar traps on various roads (doubtless 10 to 20 minutes after they have moved on), with the justification that this will alert drivers in a general fashion to the fact that they are being observed ALL THE TIME. You have to be alert to take note of these alerts as they tend to be gabbled through quickly/ in obscure dialect..
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: January 23, 2007 18:41 h
TheTremor Speed cam warnings via radio, internet or SMS are supposed to be forbidden with the next revision of the law, so the ASTRA told me
HACY
Posts: 2

Posted on: January 23, 2007 18:57 h
QUOTE
They are the only European Country that eats Dogs! They eat Cats too! Dog lard is used there for curing coughs.


So?

I eat Rudolf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sautéed_reindeer

Dogs, cats, fungi, caribou/reindeer, pig/pork, cows, fish, vegetables are all mentioned in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo_food_and_drink

Don't tell me You eat any of those! That's bad!
angel13
Posts: 169

Posted on: January 23, 2007 20:06 h
angel13 I wonder if this relates to the experiment they have on the A1 between Geneva and Lausanne with speed cameras every 5 km's. This managed to slow people down for a few weeks till they got used to where the camera were. Perhaps they are planning to extend this throughout the motorway network. Arghhh. nea.gif
bryce
Posts: 139

Posted on: January 23, 2007 23:10 h
bryce Come on guys surely you can see that in a poor country like Swizerland they need the revenue from speeding motorists to maintain the well used Swiss navy!!!!!
Bruce
Posts: 1044

Posted on: January 23, 2007 23:15 h
Bruce There is a Swiss Navy on the lakes and I believe that some of the sailors can even spell SWITZERLAND! aggressive.gif
angel13
Posts: 169

Posted on: January 24, 2007 19:41 h
angel13 Hey we are a sailing nation. Who has the America's cup!!! yahoo.gif Not Blighty! pardon.gif
bryce
Posts: 139

Posted on: January 24, 2007 20:51 h
bryce Sorry guys the error in spelling did not seem relevant as the idea was to inject a bit of humour, also as there is no such place as Swizerland how can the Swiss take umbridge at my post!!!
angel13
Posts: 169

Posted on: January 26, 2007 13:04 h
angel13 You hit the nail on the head though with revenue. There are no points taken off your license here for speeding just Francs off your bank account.
famsolanoaubry
Posts: 1

Posted on: February 4, 2007 14:30 h
Hi, I am swiss (and driving every day in Switzerland) and I own a Tom Tom 910 that I received as christmas present. This is a piece of art device, I like it because of hand free solution for my mobil and the mp3 player which is great also. This new piece of legislation has created so many different version that I am unsured right now, if I am entitled to use my device on Swiss soil or not !!!. I have already deleted all radar POIs from all countries... is that enough to void problems with the police or are they still entitled to confiscate my unit ?

Greetings...

PS : we do make a great chocolate pleasantry.gif
TheTremor
Posts: 201

Posted on: February 4, 2007 14:56 h
TheTremor
QUOTE (FrankSol @ Feb 4 2007, 14:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi, I am swiss (and driving every day in Switzerland) and I own a Tom Tom 910 that I received as christmas present. This is a piece of art device, I like it because of hand free solution for my mobil and the mp3 player which is great also. This new piece of legislation has created so many different version that I am unsured right now, if I am entitled to use my device on Swiss soil or not !!!. I have already deleted all radar POIs from all countries... is that enough to void problems with the police or are they still entitled to confiscate my unit ?

Greetings...

PS : we do make a great chocolate pleasantry.gif



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