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FM-transmitter for TomTom car mountTomTomHardware

FM-transmitter for TomTom car mount

January 9 2007, 13:19

TomTom presented an FM transmitter for the car mount of their GO x10 models at the International CES in Las Vegas.

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By yourNAV editors
FM-transmitter for TomTom car mountTomTom have presented a new version of the car mount for their GO x10 models at the CES electronics fair in Las Vegas. This model includes a built-in FM transmitter, enabling the user to listen to route instructions through the car stereo. The expanded mount is to be released in the US first, but TomTom hopes to be able to release the FM transmitter to the European market before CeBIT (starting March 15).

The TomTom GO x10 range windscreen mount has always been a technically complex component, but the Dutch company has now succeeded in cramming even more electronics into it. Garmin have already managed something similar in the US market with their newly announced nüvi 680 (mentioned here), but in Europe TomTom has taken the lead.

Now, users of the GO 510, 710 or 910 will be able to set the car mount to transmit on an unused FM frequency and the TomTom sound is then played through the car stereo. In addition to the normal route instructions and POI alerts, music MP3’s and phone calls can also be replayed.
FM-transmitter for TomTom car mount
Legislation
The introduction of the FM transmitter into Europe won't be an easy task. Current legislation prohibits the use of such transmitters in many European countries and therefore use of the new car mount is still illegal in those countries. Although there is European Community legislation that allows the use of short Range FM transmitters, most countries still have local laws that prohibit their use.

Currently, Germany, Switzerland and only very recently also the United Kingdom have adapted their local legislation to take account of the new European laws. It's expected that these will become effective in the first half of 2007.

With the arrival of this latest mount, the long awaited Car-Connect-Kit will most likely not be launched at all. The Car-Connect-Kit would have had identical facilities as the new FM transmitter, but using Bluetooth instead of FM signals. It is expected that the new car mount will sell for around ¤49.95.

Downsides
The use of the FM Transmitter wil also have a downside, especially when used in the UK.
Firstly, the major disadvantage of this method is that the user will have to make a choice: either listen to the GO instructions, or listen to the radio, tape or CD - both is not possible. In addition to that, finding an unused frequency, that stays clear as you drive, can also be a daunting task.

This is one area where the Car-Connect-Kit would have proved itself over the FM Transmitter.

Finally, it's still doubtful if the signal of the FM Transmitter will be strong enough to be picked up by the car's antenna without any interference. The signal strength is limited by law, to avoid it interfering with other FM signals, and this could present an even greater problem if your car has a rear-mounted antenna.


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Rob Ot
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Posted on: January 9, 2007 13:19 h
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Colin K
Posts: 838

Posted on: January 9, 2007 18:07 h
Colin K I think that this is very exciting, and I hope that it works. I currently use an FM transmitter to play my iRiver MP3 player through the car stereo and it works a dream.

Colin
Lee Sainsbury
Posts: 1120

Posted on: January 9, 2007 21:19 h
You can't listen to CD and have the spoken instructions? What a bloody waste of time. I think their time would be better spent in trying to resolve the issues with the TMC.

What a lemon!
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Downer
Posts: 15

Posted on: January 9, 2007 21:53 h
Completely agree with lsainsbury. TomTom should spend their time making the TMC work adequately before introducing more solutions nobody needs.

How can it be useful to lose access to your in-car radio, tape or CD in order to use your stereo speakers to hear directional instructions, when the GO range already has a perfectly good speaker for that purpose - which is why you bought it in the first place!!!

FIX THE TMC!!!
wildatheart
Posts: 39

Posted on: January 10, 2007 10:44 h
I'm quite happy with the docking kit for my GO500; it interrupts whatever is playing on the stereo, for directions or phonecalls. Using this new device would feel like a downgrade..!
micke_011
Posts: 85

Posted on: January 10, 2007 12:55 h
micke_011 i think it's a goodie! and it says it'll do hand free calls via the radio too (maybe that was in 6.522?), great!
Nick
Posts: 81

Posted on: January 10, 2007 13:51 h
Nick
QUOTE (lsainsbury @ Jan 9 2007, 21:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can't listen to CD and have the spoken instructions? What a bloody waste of time. I think their time would be better spent in trying to resolve the issues with the TMC.

What a lemon!
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Could this not work as traffic announcements and just break in when required leaving the CD and radio to play when not required by TomTom direction announcements. If the technology is already in the head units why not use it?

PS. I have added "tools4windows.net" to my favorites - Thanks Lee ;-)
micke_011
Posts: 85

Posted on: January 10, 2007 13:58 h
micke_011 but that's not up to your tomtom, that's up to the radio/cd-player in your car.. if it will allow your tomtom to work as a traffic announcement source or not, then it would interrupt the cd playback if any broadcast was done from the tomtom. imho the built-in mp3 playback in the tomtom would substitute the cd in the car radio anyway, i don't see this as a major setback. just my 2c..
dasher
Posts: 67

Posted on: January 10, 2007 18:35 h
dasher reckon that is spot on! yahoo.gif

all you need to do is save the frequency the mount is using on the radios presets and when you need instructions flick to that station.

How often do you listen to ALL the instructions the TT gives when on a route, i tend to look at the map more than anything, by the time they read most of the instructions to you, you are on the junction already!!

the line about weak aerial signals i reckon is rubbish. Ive used a transmitter for an MP3 player in my own and a number of rental cars abroad and never had a problem.

Im looking forward this!

BTW: on first sight of the TMC and that STUPID aerial cable it had i was put off by it, the subscription to traffic i have to say i cannot knock it!
daadoodoo
Posts: 83

Posted on: January 10, 2007 19:49 h
wha? why are you claiming they won't sell the bluetooth device, when already some sites are offering it? pleasantry.gif

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=135880

btw, is this FM transmitter an stereo one? It'd suck listening to mp3s with a mono FM transmitter.
Andy_P
Posts: 6328

Posted on: January 10, 2007 22:59 h
Andy_P But have you tried actually buying one?

I seem to spend half my life chasing internet suppliers who mysteriously go out of stock of an item just after I've bought it.

TomTom themselves have never had it in stock, so I doubt it's availlable.
Nick
Posts: 81

Posted on: January 10, 2007 23:50 h
Nick
QUOTE (Mick Random @ Jan 10 2007, 13:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but that's not up to your tomtom, that's up to the radio/cd-player in your car.. if it will allow your tomtom to work as a traffic announcement source or not, then it would interrupt the cd playback if any broadcast was done from the tomtom. imho the built-in mp3 playback in the tomtom would substitute the cd in the car radio anyway, i don't see this as a major setback. just my 2c..


Exactly, Its up to TomTom to use the correct procedure to interrupt the radio or CD I said "THE TECHNOLOGY IS IN THE AUDIO HEAD UNIT" . All they have to do is make the transmitter act like a radio station and we can listen to radio and CD with spoken instructions from Kate or whoever we chose - BLISS - I cannot imagine what in car audio you have if the TomTom built in MP3 player will replace it! Do you never listen to the news or local radio?

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Marlboro
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Posted on: January 11, 2007 06:33 h
Marlboro another resort is having a car stereo that has a phone mute input where all sounds are muted when there is an incoming sound comin from the phone jack of your car stereo ... my clarion has that so i can plug in a blue tooth or tomtom on it then enjoy music without worrying about missing a instruction from tomtom.
Nick
Posts: 81

Posted on: January 11, 2007 11:19 h
Nick "Seamless integration of the GO and car stereo ensures your music stops for voice instructions and (hands-free) calls."

It looks like it should work well - This was taken from the TomTom site and states "car stereo ensures your music stops for voice instructions and (hands-free) calls."

If this works it will make the Bluetooth connect kit obsolete.

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Andy_P
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Posted on: January 11, 2007 11:59 h
Andy_P
QUOTE (Nick @ Jan 11 2007, 10:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This was taken from the TomTom site and states "car stereo ensures your music stops for voice instructions and (hands-free) calls."


Nick - I think you have to be very careful interpreting quotes from TomTom!

Nowhere in that press release does it say that music from the car radio/CD will stop for messages etc. from the TomTom.
What you quote above is half a sentence.

Two FULL quotes (my bold text)

QUOTE
Turn by turn navigation instructions, hands free calls and music can now be heard in HiFi through the car stereo, without any unsightly cables cluttering the interior. The seamless integration between the TomTom GO and the car stereo also ensures that music stops when navigation instructions are played or (hands free) phone calls are made.


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“This wireless solution using FM frequencies, allows drivers to be guided by clear voice instructions and hear their favourite songs through the car stereo for a more integrated and enjoyable driving experience.”


So they are talking about music from the TomTom.
As far as I know, "priority messages" can only work with a physical connection between the TomTom and the radio, and a radio that is capable of ducking its own signal when an external signal appears... OR the radio would have to be set to receive EON /TA and the TomTom transmitter would have to broadcast the RDS "TA" flag which is used to stop the Radio/CD/tape or raise the volume during a traffic bulletin.
Obviously this flag would need to be on only for navigation instructions or POI warnings if the TomTom wasn't playing music and on all the time if it was!

Somehow I don't think it is going to be that clever for the price! What you are going to get is exactly the same as the simple iPod type transmitters, that can ONLY be used onto an unused FM channel, and it's your choise between normal radio station or TomTom.

I hope I'm wrong, but that is the limits of the technology as I see it.
daadoodoo
Posts: 83

Posted on: January 11, 2007 21:34 h
Tomtom updated their product site. Now it claims the bluetooth kit will be released Q1 2007. You still think it's gone? rolleyes.gif

I still believe the FM transmitter won't be the most optimal solution. You cannot listen to the radio news while you have the tomtom connected. Neither listen to your CDs. The quality may vary depending on where your car antenna is. You might get interferences from a radio station, or some other car doing the same!. And I don't even know if the transmitter will be stereo nice quality sound or not.

After seeing how the TMC worked, I do not trust tomtom too much on FM receivers, and... errrrm... of course neither transmitters.
Eric_T
Posts: 34

Posted on: January 12, 2007 16:31 h
Eric_T I could easily live without the Bluetooth Connect kit, if only TomTom would enable the bluetooth pairing of a TomTom to another device. You can then get any bluetooht car-kit that supports multiple "phones" and pair your TomTom to it.

The result would be the same : driving instructions & even telephone calls from the TomTom would get routed via the generic bluetooth carkit to your car stereo. Ofcourse that would almost immediately kill the sales forecast for TomTom's Car Connect Kit but since they can't seem to get that working properly anyway...
Martin4Jay
Posts: 483

Posted on: January 12, 2007 22:38 h
Martin4Jay Would this be be better for the connection of the TMC? This is only my interest with this product.
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daadoodoo
Posts: 83

Posted on: January 12, 2007 23:08 h
QUOTE
Would this be be better for the connection of the TMC?

This thing got nothing to do with tmc, unless they included some extra miracle receiver gain control circuitry for the tmc, in the base, wich I doubt they did.
Martin4Jay
Posts: 483

Posted on: January 12, 2007 23:11 h
Martin4Jay OK Many thanks
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Martin4Jay
Posts: 483

Posted on: January 13, 2007 11:12 h
Martin4Jay
QUOTE
Would this be be better for the connection of the TMC?


Hi,
I have written to Tom Tom customer services about this question I will let you know what they say. Hoping with good news smile.gif .
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Brismike
Posts: 124

Posted on: January 15, 2007 05:05 h
Brismike I recently trialed one of the fairly common FM Transmitters with my Go910. It worked ok as long as you don't mind crappy audio quality. Playing MP3's from the Go910 meant plenty of background hiss and a high pitched whine when driving the car. The car's antenna is built into the rear window glass.

If TomTom's new FM Transmitter is like the one I tried I wouldn't reccomend it just on audio quality reasons alone. BTW the current mount sucks . . mine is constantly drooping.

So I went to the local Ford dealer and got them to put in a 3.5mm Stereo connection point linked to my CD/Radio 6 Stack player so I could use the direct connection cable that Tomtom supplied with the unit.

Now the MP3's (and Kate) have lost the background hiss but the high pitched whine still is audible. It is so bad my wife refuses to get in the car unless I unplug it and use the CD player instead of the MP3's on the Go910.

A HiFi savvy friend of mine reckons it is because the connection cable that TomTom supply is not shielded enough and is picking up the engine whine.

Anyone got any ideas?
Martin4Jay
Posts: 483

Posted on: January 15, 2007 10:08 h
Martin4Jay No ideas sorry but I think after the TMC saga trading standard will be interested in this product when more people buy it. As for me once bitten twice shy excl.gif
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Andy_P
Posts: 6328

Posted on: January 15, 2007 12:04 h
Andy_P Brismike - Have you tried an "earth loop isolator"? (£10 from Maplin).
I'm failry cetrain they are being discussed somewhere else on the forum at the moment - I remember seeing a picture.
Martin4Jay
Posts: 483

Posted on: January 16, 2007 14:19 h
Martin4Jay Hi
Just thought I would post the reply back from Tom Tom Customer services. Well done daadoodoo you were right.Just hope this product works as I will be righting to Trading standers. With the problems with TMC which they still having problems with I think they should focus with one problem at the time.
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Dear Mr Dale,

Thank you for contacting TomTom Customer Support.


In regards to your query, the FM Transmitter mount is just a windscreen dock that enables drivers to use their car radio to wirelessly play navigation instructions, hands free calls and music from their TomTom device. It will not unfortunately assist the TMC receiver.

With best regards,

The TomTom Customer Support Team
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