: First the security of TomTom's maps for PDA's was hacked, and now the same is a fact with the PND's maps.
Price Comparison
Compare prices Mio H610 MioCompare prices at idealo.co.uk

Recent
GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE reviewed Review: TomTom

GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE reviewed

November 109 replies

The new TomTom GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE are now available, and yourNAV will be the first to tell you if it’s worth your money.

TomTom gives NavCore 8 a rework Special: TomTom

TomTom gives NavCore 8 a rework

September 517 replies

TomTom has freshened up its navigational software. The new NavCore 8.2 which is shipped with the GO x40 has a completely new look.

Other news
Mio C728: SatNav and media player in one MioHardware

Mio C728: SatNav and media player in one

November 182 replies

Today Mio introduces the C728 in Europe. This SatNav with 7 inch touch screen features hefty multimedia capacities amongst which, live TV.

And also:

Grinding a SatNav to pulp

November 175 replies

TomTom: Map update for download

November 124 replies

Reviews
GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE reviewed TomTomHardware

GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE reviewed

November 109 replies

The new TomTom GO 740 and GO 940 LIVE are now available, and yourNAV will be the first to tell you if it’s worth your money.

And also:

ZunZun: kill glare on your SatNav

September 14 replies

Specials
TomTom gives NavCore 8 a rework TomTomSoftware

TomTom gives NavCore 8 a rework

September 517 replies

TomTom has freshened up its navigational software. The new NavCore 8.2 which is shipped with the GO x40 has a completely new look.

And also:

First look at Mio Moov 200, 330 and 370

April 82 replies

News
 

TomTom map security hacked!!!TomTomCompany news

TomTom map security hacked!!!

December 14 2006, 16:51

First the security of TomTom's maps for PDA's was hacked, and now the same is a fact with the PND's maps.

Replies: 39
By yourNAV editors
TomTom map security hacked!!!It's has been more or less public knowledge for years that the maps which TomTom supplies with it's Navigator software for PDAs can be easily exchanged among users. This was a lot more difficult with the maps for the company's PNDs like the TomTom GO and TomTom ONE. By linking the product code of a map to the unique device code of a GO, ONE or RIDER, TomTom managed to avoid piracy of their maps for a very long time.
Until...

Hack
For the last few weeks, a little piece of software (most likely of Spanish origin) has been circling the internet. This tiny piece of code, an .exe file of no more than 60 Kb, enables users to simply avoid the TomTom map security altogether, and thereby use any new map on any TomTom GO, ONE or RIDER. By using a smart trick, the software generates a new activation code, which can then be used to activate (the widely available pirated versions of) the maps.

This security hack will be a severe setback for TomTom. No more than two weeks ago, they have started supplying new maps for the European region.
Even though the company makes most of their turnover from hardware sales, this will undoubtedly mean a hefty financial loss. And not only for TomTom: this is also very bad news for Tele Atlas, TomTom's regular map supplier.

Reaction
Of course we asked TomTom for a reaction. Their response:

"We at TomTom take our intellectual property very seriously and do not shy away from enforcing our legal rights when we come across piracy and other types of illegal intellectual property infringement. Furthermore, we diligently police the marketplace and Internet in search of such offenders. In addition, we often introduce software updates directed to hindering the use or effectiveness of these so-called “cracked software versions”. Finally, we encourage the public to come forward with any information that would help us combat this illegal activity."


Update (December 14 2006, 19:57):
Reaction TomTom added.
Reply
Replies by users:
 

Click on 'REPLY' if you want to reply...

Rob Ot
Posts: 360

Posted on: December 14, 2006 16:51 h
Rob Ot Posted News:

Now on yourNAV:
TomTom map security hacked!!!

First the security of TomTom's maps for PDA was hacked, and now the same is a fact with the PNDs maps.


Click the headline to read this news post...
Click 'REPLY' if you want to reply to this news post

The yourNAV team
Perception
Posts: 19

Posted on: December 14, 2006 17:33 h
Well, that was going to happen sooner or later...
Lee Sainsbury
Posts: 1114

Posted on: December 14, 2006 18:43 h
QUOTE
Of course we immediately asked TomTom for a reaction. They are currently working on an official statement which we will publish here as soon as we receive it.



...in 7 months - thats how long they take to do anything...
blackpool1974
Posts: 64

Posted on: December 14, 2006 18:46 h
Next question, whats the file called !!!

FAO: TOMTOM POLICE, ONLY JOKING
lucifer the dark
Posts: 306

Posted on: December 14, 2006 20:24 h
lucifer the dark Typical! I've just caved in & bought the updated maps only to find out I could have got them for free, I'm kidding....before anyone starts shouting for my head ;)
shauneco
Posts: 248

Posted on: December 14, 2006 22:44 h
shauneco Suprised it took this long,
Will they make an update via TomTom Home that validate's you product code "This Map Is Not Genuine" "Invalid Product Key". I wonder?
eldar
Posts: 645

Posted on: December 15, 2006 02:00 h
"It's has been more or less public knowledge for years that the maps which TomTom supplies with it's Navigator software for PDAs can be easily exchanged among users."

This is not entirely correct (or rather not clearly explained :-) ) - executable files for TTN5 and 6 have been hacked, not the maps. After the substitution of the original for the cracked version you can use any maps you like.
The same piece of software (or a variation of this software) for PNDs that you are talking about can be used to produce the activation codes for Windows Mobile, Palm or Symbian devices, in fact it is almost a universal code generator. It doesn't work with some maps though.
eldar
Posts: 645

Posted on: December 15, 2006 02:01 h
QUOTE (blackpool1974 @ Dec 14 2006, 17:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Next question, whats the file called !!!

FAO: TOMTOM POLICE, ONLY JOKING


test.exe
FAO: TOMTOM POLICE, NOT JOKING AT ALL :-)
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 15, 2006 11:17 h
oldfogy Especially after all the recent controversy with regards to the so called "New Maps" I can imagine a lot of people will be looking for this crack.

If for no other reason but to be able to "Test before they buy" as do a lot of people with a fair bit of branded software already.
blackpool1974
Posts: 64

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:00 h
I dont think It works on new maps 6.60 ones, I think tomtom knew about this hack for a while so changed the logarithm.
daadoodoo
Posts: 82

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:11 h
blackpool1974, your imagination is way tooo wide =) The key generator does indeed work on new maps. You just need to check other forums and see how people comment on this.

What surprises me is the fact that it took so long for someone to release something like this. After all, creating a keygen could be a rather complex task, but modding the software not to check for licenses should be much easier (it's how it was/is done for pda soft).

I'm sure tomtom is well thinking about a solution for this, but whatever they do, they'd better be aware that some of us already _bought_ maps, and new software should be compatible with our licenses/maps and our activation codes. I hope they don't forget that.
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:18 h
oldfogy
QUOTE (blackpool1974 @ Dec 15 2006, 14:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont think It works on new maps 6.60 ones, I think tomtom knew about this hack for a while so changed the logarithm.


I don't think the version would really matter too much if it was just being "evaluated"

How often do we hear people saying that a particular area (possibly in a rural part of Spain, Poland or Hungary) was not covered, or as good as useless.
An expensive purchase if that was the main factor in buying a particular map.
skipp
Posts: 9

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:31 h
Well whilst I would never condone software piracy, this would be far less likely to happen if map upgrades were "affordable" - having spent a large amount of money on the device in the first place, I resent having to pay £35 or so for the update, when a new paper atlas of the UK would cost me £3.99. If the updates were say £5 - £10, then I bet most users would update, probably generating greater revenue and the piracy would be far less likely to happen! Then everyone's a winner!
daadoodoo
Posts: 82

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:38 h
I'd suggest an annual fee. Why limit the license to a single map? I think most people would agree on paying annual fee for unlimited map updates. I'd also point out that the first update should _always_ be free. Most devices you can buy out there already got out-of-date maps, so you end up needing to pay for an update as soon as you buy the device... not very nice
MikeM
Posts: 31

Posted on: December 15, 2006 15:59 h
fwiw I feel little sympathy for TomTom. They have messed people around for more than a year about map upgrades, new maps etc. etc. Now they issue maps that cover less yet have a significant cost.

If this 'crack' encourages them to value existing customers more and treat them (us) as customers then imo it will be worth it ;) Though sadly I can't myself see why it would...................

Mike
soweezy
Posts: 7

Posted on: December 15, 2006 21:26 h
with all the spoof email/news stories doing the rounds at the moment I figured I'd look into this and, for something that so widely available, it's pretty dam hard to find

so... does it really exist or is this just another spoof ?
lucifer the dark
Posts: 306

Posted on: December 15, 2006 21:31 h
lucifer the dark
QUOTE (soweezy @ Dec 15 2006, 20:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
with all the spoof email/news stories doing the rounds at the moment I figured I'd look into this and, for something that so widely available, it's pretty dam hard to find

so... does it really exist or is this just another spoof ?
It's really easy to find if you know where to look, I still paid for the new uk map though. & it DOES NOT work with the latest maps.
soweezy
Posts: 7

Posted on: December 15, 2006 21:41 h
that's always been my problem... can't see without my dog cool.gif
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 15, 2006 21:48 h
oldfogy
QUOTE
& it DOES NOT work with the latest maps.

True but then as I said earlier, you could still use it try out other regions before you buy them, at least that way if it's what you wanted okay,
if not your pocket is none the lighter?
as said, if you know where to look....
daadoodoo
Posts: 82

Posted on: December 15, 2006 22:05 h
QUOTE
I still paid for the new uk map though. & it DOES NOT work with the latest maps.

Then the one you found must be different to the one I found. I gave it a try on the v660.1219 european map, and seems to work (even if I have no need for it, as I have a 910), and same for other single country maps such as spanish one. Maybe it's only on the uk version that doesn't work?
lucifer the dark
Posts: 306

Posted on: December 15, 2006 22:15 h
lucifer the dark
QUOTE (daadoodoo @ Dec 15 2006, 21:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
I still paid for the new uk map though. & it DOES NOT work with the latest maps.

Then the one you found must be different to the one I found. I gave it a try on the v660.1219 european map, and seems to work (even if I have no need for it, as I have a 910), and same for other single country maps such as spanish one. Maybe it's only on the uk version that doesn't work?

Maybe it's just me, or I'm just not trying seeing as I have a working copy of the newest map anyway crazy.gif

I bet certain people (PTB) are doing loop the loops over this one, thinking that we're all going to run off & activate hooky copies of the maps yahoo.gif They deserve to sweat a little don't you think? lol.gif
daadoodoo
Posts: 82

Posted on: December 16, 2006 00:06 h
Heh, I hope that this forces tomtom to release better protected, _but_better_ maps =)

I have hopes for increased max speed information, altitude information (avoid certain routes in winter period etc), better information on multi-way roads, and... bug-free teleatlas maps (they have lots of details but lots of bugs), ...
I don't care if I have to pay for it. Good service deserves paying.

It's so annoying that instead of increasing information in a usable way, the last versions of the maps went crap. They reduced the size by elliminating details. Now road curves became straight lines in the Western European maps. They forgot us using a 910 and having lots of space.

Why do we buy this much storage space, if we're never going to use it? cray.gif
ollie40
Posts: 13

Posted on: December 16, 2006 01:02 h
ollie40 Where can you find the file i have looked everywhere and i can,t find it can
someone please pm me a link thanks.
Nick Delion
Posts: 126

Posted on: December 16, 2006 11:11 h
Nick Delion
QUOTE (ollie40 @ Dec 16 2006, 01:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where can you find the file i have looked everywhere and i can,t find it can
someone please pm me a link thanks.

NO! excl.gif excl.gif excl.gif
Bart
Posts: 3480

Posted on: December 16, 2006 19:04 h
Bart
QUOTE (ollie40 @ Dec 16 2006, 01:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where can you find the file i have looked everywhere and i can,t find it can
someone please pm me a link thanks.

This newspost is purely meant for informative purposes ONLY. It's NOT meant as an advocacy for piracy. This has never been condoned in the past here, and will never be condoned in the future either. I would like to be very, VERY clear on this!!
schojac
Posts: 18

Posted on: December 16, 2006 23:11 h
schojac Yeah!, I have the link for you.

http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps/index.php?Lid=1
Andy_P
Posts: 6074

Posted on: December 17, 2006 10:23 h
Andy_P acute.gif
ollie40
Posts: 13

Posted on: December 18, 2006 00:13 h
ollie40
QUOTE (Bart @ Dec 16 2006, 18:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (ollie40 @ Dec 16 2006, 01:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where can you find the file i have looked everywhere and i can,t find it can
someone please pm me a link thanks.

This newspost is purely meant for informative purposes ONLY. It's NOT meant as an advocacy for piracy. This has never been condoned in the past here, and will never be condoned in the future either. I would like to be very, VERY clear on this!!


Sorry Bart i didn't know that i wasent allowed to post.

Sorry Ollie.
Andy_P
Posts: 6074

Posted on: December 18, 2006 00:31 h
Andy_P You are very welcome to post on any legal subject Ollie. good.gif
Bart
Posts: 3480

Posted on: December 18, 2006 08:02 h
Bart
QUOTE (Andy_P @ Dec 18 2006, 00:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are very welcome to post on any legal subject Ollie. good.gif

Indeed. Only asking for, or even worse, providing a link to this illegal piece of software is not allowed.
bryce
Posts: 138

Posted on: December 19, 2006 01:00 h
bryce Like Skipp I resent paying £525 for a GO700 in September 2005 with a version 568 map. I was never offered ANY updates (I understand the V568 is over 2 years old) and when I did finally get an update (I choose the word update carefully as that is what TomTom Called it) it costs me a further £55 (80 Euros) shok.gif

I did ask Tom Tom about this several times and was told firstly I was entitled to a free update and then no I was not (One guy in Tom Tom blaming the other guy for a "misunderstanding") wacko.gif

I was then told basically to go forth and multiply

So basically to get a working PND has cost me £580 a price for which I could have purchased at least two competitors products with better mapping!!

Is it any wonder that people try to ensure their abilty to navigate correctly by hacking maps or the protection software.

Now I do not condone this but I sure as hell understand folks reasons for doing it!
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 19, 2006 01:45 h
oldfogy
QUOTE (bryce @ Dec 19 2006, 00:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I do not condone this but I sure as hell understand folks reasons for doing it!

Yes, but lets face it, to publicly ask people to blatantly break the law by providing the means to commit an act of piracy is going a little far.

Especially on a site such as this that works along with TomTom's blessings with the third party software that it produces.

As we all know there is no such thing as a free lunch, but the internet provides a multitude of free search engines, all it takes is time and effort browsing the various P2P and Torrent sites.
bryce
Posts: 138

Posted on: December 19, 2006 11:49 h
bryce Like I say oldfogy there is no way that a reputable site like ours should be making this kind of information available on its pages it is illegal and wrong .

However I stick to my point that I can see why some people want to based on costs to them and profiteering by manufacturers. (I think DVD and the RIAA are an example which has increased rather than decreased the level of Piracy)

Anyway main point is long may we stay legal and above board even althouh I can see the other persons point of view.
Bryce
46jimbo
Posts: 390

Posted on: December 24, 2006 19:48 h
46jimbo Being a curious cat, I tracked down this little piece of software to run an experiment. I entered the data for my own maps and device, and found that it generated an activation code quite different from the one generated by ttcode.

Does this mean that there are in fact many possible codes that will activate a particular combination of map and device? I was under the impression that there was only one unique code for me.

I have no way to test this new code out, because I can't get my TTG to ask me to enter the activation code.
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 24, 2006 22:21 h
oldfogy You know Jimbo sometimes the mind boggles, not only have we been asked by the powers that be to keep the conversation on track and not discuss illegal software.

But you now come back telling the world that you have what might be an illegal piece of software.
It is illegal by definition because it could be used to commit an act of piracy. (unless you can prove otherwise).

To trace a persons address via their username, e-mail address and ISP is not impossible should the authorities so wish. (unless you have different laws in Canada)?

However, no doubt "yourNAV" will probably have removed these posts before any damage can be done. crazy.gif
46jimbo
Posts: 390

Posted on: December 25, 2006 00:45 h
46jimbo
QUOTE
You know Jimbo sometimes the mind boggles, not only have we been asked by the powers that be to keep the conversation on track and not discuss illegal software.

But you now come back telling the world that you have what might be an illegal piece of software.
It is illegal by definition because it could be used to commit an act of piracy. (unless you can prove otherwise).


Good grief! The topic of this thread IS about a piece of illegal software. And it's the administrators of this site who started the thread and have left it up for members to post their comments.

Other posters indicated that they too had acquired this software and had tested it with their own legitimately purchased maps for nothing more than their own curiosity. You didn't jump on them with moral indignation. Somehow 'daadoodoo' and 'lucifer the dark' escaped your wrath.

My only point was that our activation codes do not seem to be unique- that there can be other codes that will work on our devices. That's all. I wasn't advocating piracy or giving anyone the means to do so.

Time for you to chill with a nice rum toddy in front of the fire on Xmas Day.

Cheers!
oldfogy
Posts: 40

Posted on: December 25, 2006 02:44 h
oldfogy
QUOTE (46jimbo @ Dec 24 2006, 23:45) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Time for you to chill with a nice rum toddy in front of the fire on Xmas Day.
Yes, I'll drink to that.

Just that when some people find what they want they don't tell the whole world possibly spoiling it for others. shok.gif
Obviously what people sometimes read may be interpreted as "reading between the lines" and may or may not come to the wrong conclusions. dirol.gif
dazlewis
Posts: 22

Posted on: December 26, 2006 20:17 h
QUOTE (oldfogy @ Dec 24 2006, 21:21) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But you now come back telling the world that you have what might be an illegal piece of software.
It is illegal by definition because it could be used to commit an act of piracy. (unless you can prove otherwise).



Hi

Just a comment to clear up on Oldfogey's comment - it is not illegal to own anything simply because it could be used to commit an offence - unless of course specific legislation exists to say otherwise (e.g. specific legislation exists to forbid gun ownership, but not knife ownership).

More specifically with regard to copyright, this has been well established in case law all the way back to the first tape-to-tape recorder. It is not illegal to own these, even though they can, and most likely usually are, used for copyright theft.

reagrds
Darren
daadoodoo
Posts: 82

Posted on: January 7, 2007 19:42 h
QUOTE (46jimbo @ Dec 25 2006, 00:45) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Other posters indicated that they too had acquired this software and had tested it with their own legitimately purchased maps for nothing more than their own curiosity. You didn't jump on them with moral indignation. Somehow 'daadoodoo' and 'lucifer the dark' escaped your wrath.


Just for the sake of clarifying all this... I was not trying to promote that piece of software by any means, and neither using it for myself, since I bought all the maps I need, anyway.

I just checked if what the article stated was true or not, since there was so much confusion about if it worked or not.

Now that said, sorry, I do not like promoting nor distributing this sort of thing, so please don't message me asking for it (for those that did). I don't have it anymore, since I don't need it.
Reply